In the latest HCI Webinar, Dr. Jonathan H. Westover talks with Shirley Engelmeier about building inclusive cultures to drive business success. Below is a summary of the main points from their conversation! Check out the full episode and let us know what you think!
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Quick Recap
They also addressed the impact of strategic disinformation campaigns by fringe groups, such as the Claremont Institute, and the perception of reverse discrimination among certain groups. Lastly, they discussed the importance of promoting diverse and inclusive work environments, and the negative impact of fringe attacks on businesses and people's contributions.
Discussing DEI's Role in Business Strategy
Jonathan and Shirley discussed the importance of diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) in the modern workplace. Shirley, the founder of Inclusive Inc., emphasized that DEI is a business strategy that drives innovation, engagement, and productivity. Shirley defined DEI as starting with a culture of inclusion, recognizing and valuing differences, and addressing unconscious bias to achieve equity. She also noted that companies often misunderstand DEI as a mere checkbox exercise rather than a strategic imperative.
Strategic Disinformation Campaigns and Fear-Based Legislation
Shirley and Jonathan discussed the impact of strategic disinformation campaigns by fringe groups, specifically the Claremont Institute, which they claim has led to fear-based legislation and policies. Shirley expressed her concern about the fabricated narrative being spread, which she felt compelled to investigate and expose. Jonathan agreed, noting that these campaigns primarily target uneducated populations and aim to instill fear. Both agreed on the need to counteract these campaigns and educate the public.
Reverse Discrimination and Representation in Power
Jonathan and Shirley discussed the perception of reverse discrimination among certain groups, particularly straight white men who feel disenfranchised. Shirley challenged this perception, stating that while there may be instances of discrimination, the data doesn't support the idea that white men have been systematically disadvantaged. Instead, she pointed to the lack of representation of women and people of color in positions of power and influence. Shirley also highlighted the obsession with gender identity and the term "white privilege" within certain circles, and emphasized that the issue is not about hiring or promoting unqualified people, but about expanding the pool of talent to better reflect the diverse population.
Disinformation and Anti-DEI Ideology Discussion
Shirley expressed her concerns about the high level of disinformation she encounters every week, with new issues arising each time. She mentioned a specific case involving Christopher Ruffo from the Manhattan Institute, who was promoting anti-DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) ideology. Shirley also discussed the issue of misinformation surrounding the term "woke," which she has never found a clear definition for in her research. She then introduced her new book, which aims to unravel anti-DEI ideology.
Promoting Inclusive Work Environments and Resilience
Jonathan and Shirley discussed the importance of promoting diverse and inclusive work environments. Jonathan expressed his support for Shirley's book, which aims to challenge anti-woke and anti-dei ideologies. Shirley shared her experiences in writing the book and emphasized the negative impact of fringe attacks on businesses and people's contributions. They both encouraged their audience to be courageous and to reach out for connections and information.
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